It is always disturbing to me how many people in this profession hate their jobs. Maybe I am alone in this but I love my job, its all I ever wanted to do since I was a kid. Do I have bad days? sure, but for the most part the job is great. Good money, interesting work, and the chance to make an impact. If you are in school now and are starting to question your choice, get an internship and talk to someone who has been in the biz more than 1-3 years.
Glad to hear someone actually loves being an atty, it gives me some hope as a 3L. Not sure if you saw my post on "Sidebar: Benefits", but I'm not a fan of law school and starting to get worried that I will also not be a fan of practice. I'm optimistic.
I'll posit this: more lawyers would like being lawyers if they were not saddled with such massive student loan debt.
How many start out law school with noble aspirations only to face the reality after graduation that servicing loan debt will require them to perform uninteresting work as construction defect hacks or business litigators or insurance defense dicks? Of course, there are some twisted folks who enjoy that type of work; I don't like those people.
The reality is that in order to service the student loan debt, most lawyers can't go into interesting or noble or fun jobs. They end up in mills where they become fungible hourly billing units performing work that is boring and unappreciated. Hence the clinical depression within the profession.
I love being a lawyer. Sure, it'd be nice to be in court (by that I do NOT mean being before the Discovery Commish) more often, but overall I'd rather do this than anything else. (Okay, it would be nice to be a lifeguard and nightclub DJ in Bali.)
To the 3L, I had the same reservations in law school. I hated it, was depressed, and questioned why I ever did law school. Honestly, the bar sucked, and Law school sucked too. The good news is that is ok on the other side. I really like my job, and like one of the attorneys said, there are bad days, but you will realize when all is said and done (at least I did), all the pain, missed time with friends and family, and stress was worth it.
I love being a lawyer, its the clients I can't stand. Oh, and i hate the massive student loan debt which the firm exploits by paying me just enough to pay all the interest on my debts and let me eat out once a week; but not enough to actually make any headway on the prinicple.
But then again, I can think of worse ways to spend a day in a suit: mortuary, car salesman, casino pitboss, clerk for Discovery Commissioner.
But what interests me about 8:36's comment is that he/she/they seem to assume that the first three years are supposed to suck. That is a real selling point. "Come on down to Boyd, give us $150K for three years of instruction you could have got for free from YouTube, endure misery and emotional turmoil over finals and the Bar, then...then..it is gonna suck for three years."
Even parolee's don't get assF&*%#ed for three years in prison then put up with the same abuse for three more.
So, my question of the day is: Are you as the attorney any better than the idiots, criminals, naive saps, and greedy corps that you represent?
I need to vent about how big of a turd Professor Rowley at Boyd is. He is a horrible professor. I had him for Secured Transactions. It all started when he made us read a 30-page prologue just because it mentioned him (mind you, in only 1 sentence of the 30 pages). All he did to "teach us" was quote UCC sections but never explained how to use them. He was at least 10 minutes late to every single class but felt it necessary to hold the class 5-10 minutes late after every class. On one occasion, he didn't even show up for a class (without an email or any notice), blamed it on everyone but himself, never apologized, and then made the students stay after 15 minutes for each remaining class to make up the material. Then, he scheduled a review session before the final and offered to buy us all pizza a sodas but, to few's surprise, he sent an email to the class 4 minutes before the session was to begin that he "forgot" about his son's school band night so he would be 45-60 minutes late. When he eventually showed up (yes, for some reason I stayed) he had no pizza or sodas and when a student asked about the food, he said "oh, okay, if someone orders it, I'll pay for it." Then, when the pizza arrived, he didn't even have cash to pay for it. THEN, he decided to add 45 minutes to the final (making it 3.75 hours) because he didn't want us to waste his 3 hours of test time by having to read the test questions.
In short, Rowley has no respect for any of the students. He seems to only care about himself and how important he is in the world of secured transactions. He was seriously the worst teacher/professor I have ever had and I pity any fool who signs up for one of his classes.
Rowley, if you read this, you should know that not one student learned anything from you all semester except how not to treat people. If you were a practicing attorney, I'd sue your butt for malpractice.
I am a fan of the Federalist Society, but I do have to say that it's an employer's right to select on the basis of fundamental beliefs. On the other hand, who would pass up a good candidate at a good price? Heck, I'd even consider hiring a Boyd graduate under the right circumstances.
FWIW, I actually went to the Dean's office to complain about my Corps prof -- he went out of town and left us with a hopelessly confusing final exam and no way to clarify. With grades on a curve the damage was minimal, one could say, but it still irks me.
As a rule of thumb, I generally consider all Federalist Society types huge tools. I have yet to be proven wrong. For example, 12:15 wants to talk crap about Boyd (the wonderful law school from which I graduated) and also likes the Federalist Society. You see, he/she is a tool.
"When people put irrelevant political credentials on their resumes, they are trying to bank on them. Concurrently, they are taking the risk that the result will instead be adverse."
Miley preliminary hearing is scheduled 1/12 in front of Little B. See: http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/jcCalendar/CalendarSearch.aspx
Rowley is a bit of an ego case but he's also the only professor at that school that likes teaching. He does a lot and gets little back in return, like buying pizza and hosting movies. Bummer to hear he didn't come through for you ONE TIME. All there is to secured transactions is memorizing ucc, so what's the problem with that? If you don't want to spend 3:45 in a final, leave 45 minutes early.
Q: How do you make a Boyd graduate's eyes twinkle? A: Shine a flashlight in her ear.
Q: How many Boyd graduates does it take to play tag? A: One.
Q: A Boyd graduate is walking down the street with a pig under her arm. She passes a person who asks "Where did you get that?" A: The pig says, "I won her in a raffle!"
Q: A Boyd graduate ordered a pizza and the clerk asked if he should cut it in six or twelve pieces. A: "Six, please. I could never eat twelve pieces."
[Forgive me, it's Friday and this is too much fun.]
I liked LS and like being at attorney but I think the big difference for me is that I had a bit of a career before making the switch.
Most of my classmates and colleagues that don't like being attorneys seem like they didn't have much of a career before LS (i.e., straight from undergrad) and/or didn't do their homework as what it really means to be an attorney. I had many classmates (at a very good school) say "well I went to LS because I have an english degree and I heard you lawyers make a lot of money".
10:46 - Rowley is behaving exactly the same as he has for years. He enjoys demonstrating that he can force others to wait. You have to let it slide. Think of it as practice for dealing with self-important a-holes and other indignities you will have to suffer when you are an attorney. Look on the bright side - you were born you rather than being born him or his kid. Is it just me, or does he look exactly like Milton in Office Space?
1. Law school is a suckfest taught by annoying nerds who couldn't hack in practice. F*** those lamers. Practice is worlds better.
2. Federalists are, by and large, lunkheads. Sorry.
3. Rowley is a weapons-grade tool.
4. Not all Boyd grads are idiots...but enough of them are to get the stereotype up and running. I don't care. It makes it easier to crush those who underestimate me because I went there.
C'mon 2:03, those jokes aren't even funny. And they're even less funny because they're all about females, and the females at Boyd beat the males in every single respect - looks-wise, grades-wise, intelligence-wise, and personality-wise.
I was curious why no one had written or commented about Ron Serota and is travails with the State Bar. Does anyone know what happened with Ron and why a CPA/laywer got into trouble for hitting the client trust account. Ron Serota. If anyone can shed any light on the subject, please do so. Ron is a Boyd graduate.
Just to clarify, and defend 10:46: Rowley epically failed on more than on occassion. He didn't show up to class and he was late to the review session (already 2). He also told a student who asked about the exam format a week before the exam that that was something "not to waste class time on." Yes, he said "waste."
He also never gave us the optional assignment listed in the syllabus and promised to us numerous times.
He also gave us three revised syllabi in the last two weeks of class, each time adding more and more reading.
Sometimes he would add cases to the reading before the class was to start, and not even bother sending out an e-mail notifying students.
Professor Rowley doesn't like to teach, he likes to hear himself talk.
Row definitely loves to hear himself talk (and tight polo shirts), but I thought he was a good professor. He taught (or exposed) me to the primary areas of law in both Secured Transactions and Advanced Contracts: Sales and Leases. Although I didn't appreciate the lengthy finals (that included extra reading material), I was ready for each exam (and more importantly, the bar).
Deck the halls with boughs of open thread.
It is always disturbing to me how many people in this profession hate their jobs. Maybe I am alone in this but I love my job, its all I ever wanted to do since I was a kid. Do I have bad days? sure, but for the most part the job is great. Good money, interesting work, and the chance to make an impact. If you are in school now and are starting to question your choice, get an internship and talk to someone who has been in the biz more than 1-3 years.
ReplyDeleteRumor has it that Troy Fox got a job at LSC.
ReplyDelete@8:50 - Is that a character from The Simpsons?
ReplyDelete@ 8:36
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear someone actually loves being an atty, it gives me some hope as a 3L. Not sure if you saw my post on "Sidebar: Benefits", but I'm not a fan of law school and starting to get worried that I will also not be a fan of practice. I'm optimistic.
3L
I'll posit this: more lawyers would like being lawyers if they were not saddled with such massive student loan debt.
ReplyDeleteHow many start out law school with noble aspirations only to face the reality after graduation that servicing loan debt will require them to perform uninteresting work as construction defect hacks or business litigators or insurance defense dicks? Of course, there are some twisted folks who enjoy that type of work; I don't like those people.
The reality is that in order to service the student loan debt, most lawyers can't go into interesting or noble or fun jobs. They end up in mills where they become fungible hourly billing units performing work that is boring and unappreciated. Hence the clinical depression within the profession.
Who the heck is Troy Fox? Retired porn star?
ReplyDeleteI love being a lawyer. Sure, it'd be nice to be in court (by that I do NOT mean being before the Discovery Commish) more often, but overall I'd rather do this than anything else. (Okay, it would be nice to be a lifeguard and nightclub DJ in Bali.)
To the 3L, I had the same reservations in law school. I hated it, was depressed, and questioned why I ever did law school. Honestly, the bar sucked, and Law school sucked too. The good news is that is ok on the other side. I really like my job, and like one of the attorneys said, there are bad days, but you will realize when all is said and done (at least I did), all the pain, missed time with friends and family, and stress was worth it.
ReplyDeleteLSC hired TROY FOX!!! WOW!!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post Troy.
I love being a lawyer, its the clients I can't stand. Oh, and i hate the massive student loan debt which the firm exploits by paying me just enough to pay all the interest on my debts and let me eat out once a week; but not enough to actually make any headway on the prinicple.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, I can think of worse ways to spend a day in a suit: mortuary, car salesman, casino pitboss, clerk for Discovery Commissioner.
But what interests me about 8:36's comment is that he/she/they seem to assume that the first three years are supposed to suck. That is a real selling point. "Come on down to Boyd, give us $150K for three years of instruction you could have got for free from YouTube, endure misery and emotional turmoil over finals and the Bar, then...then..it is gonna suck for three years."
Even parolee's don't get assF&*%#ed for three years in prison then put up with the same abuse for three more.
So, my question of the day is: Are you as the attorney any better than the idiots, criminals, naive saps, and greedy corps that you represent?
Troy Fox = LU!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI need to vent about how big of a turd Professor Rowley at Boyd is. He is a horrible professor. I had him for Secured Transactions. It all started when he made us read a 30-page prologue just because it mentioned him (mind you, in only 1 sentence of the 30 pages). All he did to "teach us" was quote UCC sections but never explained how to use them. He was at least 10 minutes late to every single class but felt it necessary to hold the class 5-10 minutes late after every class. On one occasion, he didn't even show up for a class (without an email or any notice), blamed it on everyone but himself, never apologized, and then made the students stay after 15 minutes for each remaining class to make up the material. Then, he scheduled a review session before the final and offered to buy us all pizza a sodas but, to few's surprise, he sent an email to the class 4 minutes before the session was to begin that he "forgot" about his son's school band night so he would be 45-60 minutes late. When he eventually showed up (yes, for some reason I stayed) he had no pizza or sodas and when a student asked about the food, he said "oh, okay, if someone orders it, I'll pay for it." Then, when the pizza arrived, he didn't even have cash to pay for it. THEN, he decided to add 45 minutes to the final (making it 3.75 hours) because he didn't want us to waste his 3 hours of test time by having to read the test questions.
ReplyDeleteIn short, Rowley has no respect for any of the students. He seems to only care about himself and how important he is in the world of secured transactions. He was seriously the worst teacher/professor I have ever had and I pity any fool who signs up for one of his classes.
Rowley, if you read this, you should know that not one student learned anything from you all semester except how not to treat people. If you were a practicing attorney, I'd sue your butt for malpractice.
You're a turd and thanks for nothing.
Who would win in a fight? Troy Fox, LU or Professor Rowley?
ReplyDeleteTroy Fox was having sex with Tiger Woods in the parking lot of the RJC during Tiger's frequent trips to Vegas.
ReplyDeleteHere's something that's interesting.
ReplyDeleteI am a fan of the Federalist Society, but I do have to say that it's an employer's right to select on the basis of fundamental beliefs. On the other hand, who would pass up a good candidate at a good price? Heck, I'd even consider hiring a Boyd graduate under the right circumstances.
Damn, 10:46, just damn.
ReplyDeleteFWIW, I actually went to the Dean's office to complain about my Corps prof -- he went out of town and left us with a hopelessly confusing final exam and no way to clarify. With grades on a curve the damage was minimal, one could say, but it still irks me.
As a rule of thumb, I generally consider all Federalist Society types huge tools. I have yet to be proven wrong. For example, 12:15 wants to talk crap about Boyd (the wonderful law school from which I graduated) and also likes the Federalist Society. You see, he/she is a tool.
ReplyDelete12:36,
ReplyDeleteNot liking Boyd + liking Federalist Society = Huge Tool?
If Huge Toolishness were a crime, I don't see you with enough to get out of baby court.
re: 12:15
ReplyDeleteI agree with the first comment from the link.
"When people put irrelevant political credentials on their resumes, they are trying to bank on them. Concurrently, they are taking the risk that the result will instead be adverse."
@Legally Awesome-
ReplyDeleteCome on, you can do better than that. If I were TF, I'd use my REAL name.
Though I, like most women, have had sex with Tiger Woods.
@1:14 PM - True, True
So anyone know what happened with Ed Miley's domestic abuse case? The child endangerment? The killing of the dog? Didn't he have his hearing already.
ReplyDeleteSure that is kept quiet - but the fake divorce hits the headlines.
Miley preliminary hearing is scheduled 1/12 in front of Little B. See: http://redrock.co.clark.nv.us/jcCalendar/CalendarSearch.aspx
ReplyDeleteRowley is a bit of an ego case but he's also the only professor at that school that likes teaching. He does a lot and gets little back in return, like buying pizza and hosting movies. Bummer to hear he didn't come through for you ONE TIME. All there is to secured transactions is memorizing ucc, so what's the problem with that? If you don't want to spend 3:45 in a final, leave 45 minutes early.
Q: How do you make a Boyd graduate's eyes twinkle?
ReplyDeleteA: Shine a flashlight in her ear.
Q: How many Boyd graduates does it take to play tag?
A: One.
Q: A Boyd graduate is walking down the street with a pig under her arm. She passes a person who asks "Where did you get that?"
A: The pig says, "I won her in a raffle!"
Q: A Boyd graduate ordered a pizza and the clerk asked if he should cut it in six or twelve pieces.
A: "Six, please. I could never eat twelve pieces."
[Forgive me, it's Friday and this is too much fun.]
10:46,
ReplyDeleteThe credited response on your Sec. Transactions final was a simple query:
"Will you kiss me? Really, will you kiss me? Because I like to be kissed when someone is doing sex to me!"
2:11 pm - LMFAO
ReplyDeleteLU is a chick? No way.
ReplyDeleteDid I say I was a 'chick'?
ReplyDelete@ 2:23 -
ReplyDeleteOr T-Dub likes dudes and chicks.
@ LU -
You mean the post would have stated, "rumor has it that Legally Unbound got a job at LSC?"
Stop it Troy...
ReplyDeleteLU = LA
ReplyDeleteI liked LS and like being at attorney but I think the big difference for me is that I had a bit of a career before making the switch.
ReplyDeleteMost of my classmates and colleagues that don't like being attorneys seem like they didn't have much of a career before LS (i.e., straight from undergrad) and/or didn't do their homework as what it really means to be an attorney. I had many classmates (at a very good school) say "well I went to LS because I have an english degree and I heard you lawyers make a lot of money".
Real life is not law and order.
4:13 PM - you are correct. My classmates who had careers before law school did far better, on average, than the BA in English crowd.
ReplyDelete10:46 - Rowley is behaving exactly the same as he has for years. He enjoys demonstrating that he can force others to wait. You have to let it slide. Think of it as practice for dealing with self-important a-holes and other indignities you will have to suffer when you are an attorney. Look on the bright side - you were born you rather than being born him or his kid. Is it just me, or does he look exactly like Milton in Office Space?
ReplyDelete1. Law school is a suckfest taught by annoying nerds who couldn't hack in practice. F*** those lamers. Practice is worlds better.
ReplyDelete2. Federalists are, by and large, lunkheads. Sorry.
3. Rowley is a weapons-grade tool.
4. Not all Boyd grads are idiots...but enough of them are to get the stereotype up and running. I don't care. It makes it easier to crush those who underestimate me because I went there.
C'mon 2:03, those jokes aren't even funny. And they're even less funny because they're all about females, and the females at Boyd beat the males in every single respect - looks-wise, grades-wise, intelligence-wise, and personality-wise.
ReplyDeleteSee Troy Fox for case-in-point.
Here's a belated reply to the law student at 11:27 a few threads ago: read "Barman" by Alex Wellen.
ReplyDeleteWho is Troy Fox? I keep seeing people mock him, but I've never heard of him, so maybe someone can tell me whay gets ripped on all the time.
ReplyDeleteI was curious why no one had written or commented about Ron Serota and is travails with the State Bar. Does anyone know what happened with Ron and why a CPA/laywer got into trouble for hitting the client trust account. Ron Serota. If anyone can shed any light on the subject, please do so. Ron is a Boyd graduate.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who says they loved law school is insane or lying. The good thing is that practicing law is nothing like law school, I love it.
ReplyDelete@ 1:57
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify, and defend 10:46:
Rowley epically failed on more than on occassion. He didn't show up to class and he was late to the review session (already 2). He also told a student who asked about the exam format a week before the exam that that was something "not to waste class time on." Yes, he said "waste."
He also never gave us the optional assignment listed in the syllabus and promised to us numerous times.
He also gave us three revised syllabi in the last two weeks of class, each time adding more and more reading.
Sometimes he would add cases to the reading before the class was to start, and not even bother sending out an e-mail notifying students.
Professor Rowley doesn't like to teach, he likes to hear himself talk.
Row definitely loves to hear himself talk (and tight polo shirts), but I thought he was a good professor. He taught (or exposed) me to the primary areas of law in both Secured Transactions and Advanced Contracts: Sales and Leases. Although I didn't appreciate the lengthy finals (that included extra reading material), I was ready for each exam (and more importantly, the bar).
ReplyDeleteWhat do you call a female Boyd law student and/or graduate with a runny nose?
ReplyDeleteFull.