The UNLV law school is about as good as the UNLV Football team. While the school might be good in producing lawyers who can fight parking tickets, the fact is, Nevada does not need the school. Let's save money and leave unaccredited schools (or at least schools that should be) to California.
I have become extremely resentful of about half the people at my firm. It seems were are divided into one half that actually gets stuff done and the other half that has jobs because of it. It seems like most of our secretaries are stereotypical civil servants and will do anything to avoid actual work. A number of the attorneys seem to have trouble producing much in terms of work product or moving cases forward, yet they still have jobs in spite of their laggard hours, which still seem to be excessive when considering how little they actually do. GRRRR.
I am not sure what your experience with Boyd has been, but you are very ignorant on this topic. Boyd is a quality school with a great reputation. The facutly members are well qualified and the school has shot up the rankings over its short existence.
I am glad I got my quality legal education at Boyd. And yes, Nevada does "need" the school as Boyd and UNR's med school are the only academic institutions Nevadans can be proud of.
Stop kidding youself. We've discussed this very topic around our office and I think most of us agree that Boyd grads do not have a very positive reputation. Sure, there are a few good ones, but they are outnumbered by the bad. Perhaps the school should stop focusing so much on clinical work and start teaching you people how to write.
I have to agree. I WANTED to love the Boyd grads but, without exception, all of our Boyd law clerks have been unable to perform anything but the most rudimentary legal research and writing projects. When you ask them a tough question, they don't hit the books or the computer--they call their professors! Hey, maybe Boyd should call a better writing professor.
Please name 15 graduates from Boyd who have shown that they can be excellent lawyers. For the most part, the Boyd grads are "wanna be" lawyers who think that the law owes them something. Actually, the first couple classes were not that bad. The last several have been horrific. I have seen more than my share of ethically challenged and intellectually challenged Boyd grads. A more rigourous program tends to weed out these types. Instead, Boyd (and Nevada) is welcoming them.
I know passing the bar exam doesn't guarantee a quality lawyer, but isn't there something to be said that Boyd's bar pass rate has been consistently above the state-wide average for several years?
To all of those criticizing Boyd grads, perhaps you run into the "bad" Boyd grads because those are the types of opposing counsels to which your cases lend themselves. The fact is that there are plenty of Boyd grads that are successful in this state. Additionally, Boyd has one of the top legal writing departments in the country.
I think that many local attorneys are simply bitter that competition for jobs and clients has increased since Boyd graduated its first class.
The top 152 schools has higher bar passage rates overall in the Country than UNLV. Seeing as virtually ALL UNLV grads take the Nevada Bar, shouldn't their bar passage rate be higher nationwide?
To the genius who surmised that the Nevada essays are probably geared towards Boyd students: I sat for the 2007 Nevada July Bar Exam with a Duke Law School graduate. He had already passed the bar in North Carolina, Illinois, and California. At the time of the bar, he was working for prestigous frim in Los Angeles. His comment to me after the bar was that it was tougher than any other bar he had taken.
High school and undergraduate universities are largely to blame for poor writing skills. It's not a law school's job to teach grammar and punctuation.
I attended Boyd and earned my LLM at another top 100 law school. The quality of the legal education is comparable, but the point made earlier in the thread about Boyd's overemphasis on clinical programs is a fair one.
Another area where Boyd is lacking is in the instruction of practical skills. Most top law schools have a structured legal practice program that teaches trial advocacy, trial evidence, pretrial litigation (discovery), etc. Top students in these classes are given the opportunity to compete with other law schools in mock trial competition. Boyd's efforts in this area are only token, at best.
To be fair, budget issues are beginning to take their toll on Boyd as well. Far more quality professors are leaving than arriving.
I want to give Nancy Grace an Ed Miley bodyslam whenever I hear her judgmental tirades against every guest and subject.
Someone needs to do a show with a Daily Show-like summary of every slanderous, mistaken accusation and conclusion she's made on air. But I think the compilation would be longer than Lawrence of Arabia.
10:24, 9:56 here. My comment is based on things being tested that were not covered by BarBri and that were covered in classes at Boyd. How hard a bar exam feels when you're taking it doesn't necessarily have much to do with how hard it is to actually pass. The bar exam is supposed to be miserable.
Isn't there anything more interesting going on than a repeat discussion about the quality of the education at Boyd and the quality of its graduates? There's got to be some scandal going on somewhere in Vegas (or even Reno for that matter) worthy of discussion.
Having taken both CA and NV bar exams I can say they do not compare.
CA's was far more difficult than NV. While NV had long fact patterns, they were not nearly as complex or difficult as the relatively short CA versions.
I would agree that NV is geared toward a lower common denominator.
Are you an attorney? If you are, I feel for your clients.
You obviously didn't think through your comment before you posted it. It doesn't make any sense to compare Boyd's bar passage rate to the passage rate of 152 other schools outside Nevada. Grads from these other schools did not take the Nevada bar. For example, Utah has, I've heard, an easier bar than Nevada's, so logic will tell you that a sh*t school in Utah would stand a fair chance of having a higher passage rate on the Utah bar than Boyd grads on the Nevada bar. It's apples and oranges. I'm only using Utah as an example, I don't know anything about the quality of schools there.
Boyd grads' consistent bar passage rate above the state average speaks for itself.
I'm guessing you graduated from a school other than Boyd and you failed the Nevada bar first time around (maybe still haven't passed) and you're projecting your excuse for that failure onto this blog.
-Appellate Clerks -Attorneys at V20 law firms -Fullbright fellows -Attorneys at the Securities and -Exchange Commission -Attorney for the Senate Majority Leader of the United States
This doesn't seem like a bad list for such a young school. But you are always going to have people who disagree that the school provides a quality program. That is fine. Outside the T14 there is always going to be disagreement about the worth/value/quality of a law program (and even within T14, to a certain extent). Is Boyd the best school in the country-hardly. Is it the worst? Not by a long shot.
I've taken, and passed, both the California and Nevada bars. Nevada was definitely more difficult with the cross over questions. The only thing more difficult about California was the CPT, but just because it was three hours and had more material.
As to Boyd, I've been impressed with the quality of the writing skills of its students. Undoubtedly, Boyd has its share of lazy students (like every school) who have deficiency with their writing, but given the overall poor quality of most legal briefs in Nevada, those students still produce better work than the majority of family law/personal injury attorneys in Nevada.
I looked at the US News rankings on writing programs. Boyd is 3rd in the country alright. BEHIND SEATTLE UNIVERSITY AND MERCER UNIVERSITY!!!!! Hahahaha...what distinguished company!
Most reputable schools think "writing programs" are unnecessary.
In response to 11:09. I did graduate from a school other than Boyd but I passed the bar on my first attempt. My point was to illustrate a factor that may result on Boyd having its pass rate, whatever that rate may be. Every lousy lawyer somehow managed to pass the bar regardless of where they went to school, just as every good lawyer managed to pass it.
I've been supervising Boyd Grads since the law school opened. I have no affiliation with the school. While many of your comments are as ignorant as your claims about Boyd students, the truth is that many, many Boyd students are very good and many are horrible. There is a very large divide between 'best' and 'worst', which seems to be unique to Boyd...they lack consistency.
Best Quality in Grads: Boyd students aren't scared to do anything,they don't blame the staff for their mistakes and they don't complain that their legal work should be more 'high-minded'.
Worst Quality in Grads: Boyd students usually ask too many questions, they spend too much time thinking about the issues and they need more practical experience.
My worst clerk of all time was from Harvard, so what!?! He thought he was smarter than he was & he was scared to actually work. He just wanted to research cases.
I have not had too many crossings with Boyd grads that I'm aware of. However, I am of the mindset that it's neither the law school or the writing program who makes the lawyer. It's the individual who makes themselves. We can all come up with plenty of examples, I am certain, of lawyers who are excellent who went to less prestigious schools as well as lawyers who are not worth the oxygen they consume who went to top tier schools.
Banter about schools aside - did I miss the appointment for the Federal Court down there in Vegas? Or is that still pending? And yes, I have been not been paying attention to those matters as of late.
Boyd is a nice cookie-cutter pinko lefty school that toes the pinko lefty line. Boring. Very boring. George Mason, University of Chicago and maybe BYU are the only schools in the US (and thus, by default, the world) that openly accept that maybe, just maybe, legal positivism is bogus, CLS is the spawn of psychopaths and any vestige of marxoid "class" theory should be tossed into the trash bin of history.
Anyway, as a result of its super-soft pinko priorities, the graduates tend to be a bit soft. No "Paperchase" for these guys. The only harshness at Boyd is kept locked-away, reserved for someone who might suggest the 2nd or 9th Amendments have the meanings ascribed to them by the fellows who wrote 'em and voted on 'em; or that laws - help me, my fingers won't stop typing! - are not man made but made to be discoverd by Man. (bad fingers, bad fingers, off with you
Speaking as a Boyd student, the reason why I have asked many questions before beginning a project/motion/whatever is to prevent miscommunications between me and my supervising attorney. If it looks like I'm spending too much time "thinking about the issues," it probably means that you weren't as clear as you could have been in telling me what the issue actually is, and I've trying to figure out what I need to focus on. Either that, or I lack the practical experience to put your perfectly clear statements into context. Guess what? Practical experience comes from practicing law.
I'm a Boyd Graduate, and if I could fit in time around my busy schedule of counting my money, I might take some time to be offended by some of this stuff. Have fun paying off those T14 student loans. $uckers!
I definitely prefer being a Boyd graduate to being a condescending, sanctimonious asshole. Who likes people that generalize and judge people by where they went to school, what type of car they drive, what brand of clothes they wear, etc, etc, etc.
Get over yourselves. You're superiority is a facade.
It's cute that all the Boyd grads are defending themselves so hard against these negative comments.
Can we PLEASE move on to something more interesting? For example, whatever happened to the "someone is going to be fired but he/she doesn't know it yet" comment from last Friday??
I'm not a Boyd grad, but I quite like what 1:41 said. This is all too common. I'm assuming most (likely not all) of the criticism again Boyd on here is coming from non-T14 grads. I'm assuming these people don't like it when T14 grads generalize about their school.
Who cares about Boyd. In fact, when is this blog going to be renamed "Legal Antics and Jurisprudence in LAS VEGAS, Nevada"?
Given the fact that 99.9999999% of the content here is about Las Vegas mumbo jumbo, just call it what it is. Or start dishing dirt on stuff in Reno and in the rurals.
@2:44p - I would probably hunker down somewhere up in Reno because I figure I'd kill myself before going to Reno. Maybe the Zombies would feel the same way.
First, maybe the Boyd pass rate for the Nevada bar is high because they are all taking the bar exam right after law school, and thus haven't had jobs or the passage of time to dull their bar exam skillz? Whereas the out-of-staters are probably taking the Nevada bar years after having finished law school and passing another state's bar (because, seriously, how many people who didn't go to Boyd take the Nevada bar as their first?), and are therefore long since divested of the bullshit necessary to pass a bar exam. Just a theory... Also, anyone know how Boyd grads fare in other states?
Second, @12:44, you're weird. I'm guessing you got into law school because they wanted a token crazy libertarian nut job, and now its clear that, as the product of ideological affirmative action, you don't have the chops to pass the Nevada bar.
Glad to hear there is mutuality regarding despise between the north and south. Lest it be known, most of those in Northern Nevada would rather die a thousand miserable deaths than move to Las Vegas. However, if there wasn't a Las Vegas, there would be no UNLV, and no humor in how NEVADA can completely kick FUNLV's ass.
The Boyd night students I've had as employees were all responsible clerks and worked hard. If I was looking for a JD associate I wouldn't have a problem hiring one.
I didn't to to Boyd, and was admitted in CA almost 20 years before NV. What school you went to only has a marginal impact on what kind of a lawyer you are because academic skills and real lawyer skills are different.
All law schools produce great lawyers and lousy lawyers. It isn't the school, it's the lawyer. I know some excellent Boyd graduate lawyers, and some who suffer from congential stupidity. Same there as everywhere else.
Young lawyers who went to Top 15 law schools (and I went to one of those) and think their ---- doesn't stink are one of the many banes of our profession. If you doubt that go read some of the self-absorbed blather in the comments to ATL.
And, although they were years apart, I think the NV Bar was harder than CA - I was more stressed on CA because if I failed I might not have had a job on Xmas, but NV, while less stressful because I knew I could do it, was technically more difficult.
5:35 - Very well put. Great test taking skills will get you into a top school and help you sail through the bar...but it doesn't mean you'll be a good lawyer.
The difference between law school and law practice is that law school is on the theory of plumbing while practice is swimming every day in a septic tank of fetid crap.
8:16: Totally agree but think the bigger problem is that there is nowehere for these crap grads to go so Vegas has to find somewhere to absorb them. And they graduate like 140 people a year...
I'm not sure what to make of this. It probably isn't news, but it's interesting nonetheless. Check out: http://www.nvbar.org/Admissions/
For the uninitiated, warez = pirated software. It's hard to tell how long that page has been there. NB: the official page for Admissions is: http://www.nvbar.org/Admissions/admissions.htm, not the URL above. Still, it seems a page at nvbar.org might have been compromised at some point in the past.
You are asking Boyd Grads for cunilingus? What makes you think a Boyd Grad has ever licked anything outside of their pedestrian curriculum at that school?
This was fun last week, so let's do it again!
Nancy Grace is so hot right now!
ReplyDeleteThe UNLV law school is about as good as the UNLV Football team. While the school might be good in producing lawyers who can fight parking tickets, the fact is, Nevada does not need the school. Let's save money and leave unaccredited schools (or at least schools that should be) to California.
ReplyDeleteTroll alert @ 8:29a...
ReplyDeleteI have become extremely resentful of about half the people at my firm. It seems were are divided into one half that actually gets stuff done and the other half that has jobs because of it. It seems like most of our secretaries are stereotypical civil servants and will do anything to avoid actual work. A number of the attorneys seem to have trouble producing much in terms of work product or moving cases forward, yet they still have jobs in spite of their laggard hours, which still seem to be excessive when considering how little they actually do. GRRRR.
ReplyDelete8:29 AM,
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what your experience with Boyd has been, but you are very ignorant on this topic. Boyd is a quality school with a great reputation. The facutly members are well qualified and the school has shot up the rankings over its short existence.
I am glad I got my quality legal education at Boyd. And yes, Nevada does "need" the school as Boyd and UNR's med school are the only academic institutions Nevadans can be proud of.
9:08,
ReplyDeleteStop kidding youself. We've discussed this very topic around our office and I think most of us agree that Boyd grads do not have a very positive reputation. Sure, there are a few good ones, but they are outnumbered by the bad. Perhaps the school should stop focusing so much on clinical work and start teaching you people how to write.
I have to agree. I WANTED to love the Boyd grads but, without exception, all of our Boyd law clerks have been unable to perform anything but the most rudimentary legal research and writing projects. When you ask them a tough question, they don't hit the books or the computer--they call their professors! Hey, maybe Boyd should call a better writing professor.
ReplyDeleteDog-pile on BOYD!!!!!
ReplyDeletePlease name 15 graduates from Boyd who have shown that they can be excellent lawyers. For the most part, the Boyd grads are "wanna be" lawyers who think that the law owes them something. Actually, the first couple classes were not that bad. The last several have been horrific. I have seen more than my share of ethically challenged and intellectually challenged Boyd grads. A more rigourous program tends to weed out these types. Instead, Boyd (and Nevada) is welcoming them.
ReplyDeleteI know passing the bar exam doesn't guarantee a quality lawyer, but isn't there something to be said that Boyd's bar pass rate has been consistently above the state-wide average for several years?
ReplyDeleteIn response to 9:51, I think the bar's essay questions are written to be geared towards Boyd graduates, which may explain the pass rate.
ReplyDeleteI'm in a large state-wide firm, and several of our best lawyers are Boyd grads. Good Boyd JDs are as good as my classmates from my T14 law school.
ReplyDeleteTo all of those criticizing Boyd grads, perhaps you run into the "bad" Boyd grads because those are the types of opposing counsels to which your cases lend themselves. The fact is that there are plenty of Boyd grads that are successful in this state. Additionally, Boyd has one of the top legal writing departments in the country.
ReplyDeleteI think that many local attorneys are simply bitter that competition for jobs and clients has increased since Boyd graduated its first class.
The top 152 schools has higher bar passage rates overall in the Country than UNLV. Seeing as virtually ALL UNLV grads take the Nevada Bar, shouldn't their bar passage rate be higher nationwide?
ReplyDeleteBoyd has one of the top 10 writing programs in the country. I would argue that is the most valuable skill I took away from Boyd.
ReplyDeleteTo the genius who surmised that the Nevada essays are probably geared towards Boyd students: I sat for the 2007 Nevada July Bar Exam with a Duke Law School graduate. He had already passed the bar in North Carolina, Illinois, and California. At the time of the bar, he was working for prestigous frim in Los Angeles. His comment to me after the bar was that it was tougher than any other bar he had taken.
ReplyDeleteHigh school and undergraduate universities are largely to blame for poor writing skills. It's not a law school's job to teach grammar and punctuation.
ReplyDeleteI attended Boyd and earned my LLM at another top 100 law school. The quality of the legal education is comparable, but the point made earlier in the thread about Boyd's overemphasis on clinical programs is a fair one.
Another area where Boyd is lacking is in the instruction of practical skills. Most top law schools have a structured legal practice program that teaches trial advocacy, trial evidence, pretrial litigation (discovery), etc. Top students in these classes are given the opportunity to compete with other law schools in mock trial competition. Boyd's efforts in this area are only token, at best.
To be fair, budget issues are beginning to take their toll on Boyd as well. Far more quality professors are leaving than arriving.
Boyd #3 in writing according to USNWR:
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I want to give Nancy Grace an Ed Miley bodyslam whenever I hear her judgmental tirades against every guest and subject.
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to do a show with a Daily Show-like summary of every slanderous, mistaken accusation and conclusion she's made on air. But I think the compilation would be longer than Lawrence of Arabia.
The top students at Boyd can compete with anyone. HOWEVER, the non-top students are often borderline retarded. HTH.
ReplyDelete10:24, 9:56 here. My comment is based on things being tested that were not covered by BarBri and that were covered in classes at Boyd. How hard a bar exam feels when you're taking it doesn't necessarily have much to do with how hard it is to actually pass. The bar exam is supposed to be miserable.
ReplyDeleteIsn't there anything more interesting going on than a repeat discussion about the quality of the education at Boyd and the quality of its graduates? There's got to be some scandal going on somewhere in Vegas (or even Reno for that matter) worthy of discussion.
Having taken both CA and NV bar exams I can say they do not compare.
ReplyDeleteCA's was far more difficult than NV. While NV had long fact patterns, they were not nearly as complex or difficult as the relatively short CA versions.
I would agree that NV is geared toward a lower common denominator.
10:52,
ReplyDeleteI passed the Calif. and NV bars and found NV to be more difficult.
But allow me to discount my own point--the differing views suggest that quantification of bar difficulty across states is a futile endeavor.
To 10:20 AM:
ReplyDeleteAre you an attorney? If you are, I feel for your clients.
You obviously didn't think through your comment before you posted it. It doesn't make any sense to compare Boyd's bar passage rate to the passage rate of 152 other schools outside Nevada. Grads from these other schools did not take the Nevada bar. For example, Utah has, I've heard, an easier bar than Nevada's, so logic will tell you that a sh*t school in Utah would stand a fair chance of having a higher passage rate on the Utah bar than Boyd grads on the Nevada bar. It's apples and oranges. I'm only using Utah as an example, I don't know anything about the quality of schools there.
Boyd grads' consistent bar passage rate above the state average speaks for itself.
Reply to 10:50 a.m.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing you graduated from a school other than Boyd and you failed the Nevada bar first time around (maybe still haven't passed) and you're projecting your excuse for that failure onto this blog.
Am I right?
Boyd grads have gone on to be:
ReplyDelete-Appellate Clerks
-Attorneys at V20 law firms
-Fullbright fellows
-Attorneys at the Securities and -Exchange Commission
-Attorney for the Senate Majority Leader of the United States
This doesn't seem like a bad list for such a young school. But you are always going to have people who disagree that the school provides a quality program. That is fine. Outside the T14 there is always going to be disagreement about the worth/value/quality of a law program (and even within T14, to a certain extent). Is Boyd the best school in the country-hardly. Is it the worst? Not by a long shot.
I've taken, and passed, both the California and Nevada bars. Nevada was definitely more difficult with the cross over questions. The only thing more difficult about California was the CPT, but just because it was three hours and had more material.
ReplyDeleteAs to Boyd, I've been impressed with the quality of the writing skills of its students. Undoubtedly, Boyd has its share of lazy students (like every school) who have deficiency with their writing, but given the overall poor quality of most legal briefs in Nevada, those students still produce better work than the majority of family law/personal injury attorneys in Nevada.
I looked at the US News rankings on writing programs. Boyd is 3rd in the country alright. BEHIND SEATTLE UNIVERSITY AND MERCER UNIVERSITY!!!!! Hahahaha...what distinguished company!
ReplyDeleteMost reputable schools think "writing programs" are unnecessary.
Any new firms hiring? What's the state of the economy in Nevada?
ReplyDeleteWWL always wants to know what's in our wallets, but how about our student loans (undergrad and law school)?
ReplyDeleteI have $0 from undergrad, and $57,000 from law school. That's manageable, right?
In response to 11:09. I did graduate from a school other than Boyd but I passed the bar on my first attempt. My point was to illustrate a factor that may result on Boyd having its pass rate, whatever that rate may be. Every lousy lawyer somehow managed to pass the bar regardless of where they went to school, just as every good lawyer managed to pass it.
ReplyDeleteI've been supervising Boyd Grads since the law school opened. I have no affiliation with the school. While many of your comments are as ignorant as your claims about Boyd students, the truth is that many, many Boyd students are very good and many are horrible. There is a very large divide between 'best' and 'worst', which seems to be unique to Boyd...they lack consistency.
ReplyDeleteBest Quality in Grads:
Boyd students aren't scared to do anything,they don't blame the staff for their mistakes and they don't complain that their legal work should be more 'high-minded'.
Worst Quality in Grads:
Boyd students usually ask too many questions, they spend too much time thinking about the issues and they need more practical experience.
My worst clerk of all time was from Harvard, so what!?! He thought he was smarter than he was & he was scared to actually work. He just wanted to research cases.
10:43 AM, nailed it...truth
ReplyDeleteI have not had too many crossings with Boyd grads that I'm aware of. However, I am of the mindset that it's neither the law school or the writing program who makes the lawyer. It's the individual who makes themselves. We can all come up with plenty of examples, I am certain, of lawyers who are excellent who went to less prestigious schools as well as lawyers who are not worth the oxygen they consume who went to top tier schools.
ReplyDeleteBanter about schools aside - did I miss the appointment for the Federal Court down there in Vegas? Or is that still pending? And yes, I have been not been paying attention to those matters as of late.
Boyd is a nice cookie-cutter pinko lefty school that toes the pinko lefty line. Boring. Very boring. George Mason, University of Chicago and maybe BYU are the only schools in the US (and thus, by default, the world) that openly accept that maybe, just maybe, legal positivism is bogus, CLS is the spawn of psychopaths and any vestige of marxoid "class" theory should be tossed into the trash bin of history.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, as a result of its super-soft pinko priorities, the graduates tend to be a bit soft. No "Paperchase" for these guys. The only harshness at Boyd is kept locked-away, reserved for someone who might suggest the 2nd or 9th Amendments have the meanings ascribed to them by the fellows who wrote 'em and voted on 'em; or that laws - help me, my fingers won't stop typing! - are not man made but made to be discoverd by Man. (bad fingers, bad fingers, off with you
@LU,
ReplyDeleteSpeaking as a Boyd student, the reason why I have asked many questions before beginning a project/motion/whatever is to prevent miscommunications between me and my supervising attorney. If it looks like I'm spending too much time "thinking about the issues," it probably means that you weren't as clear as you could have been in telling me what the issue actually is, and I've trying to figure out what I need to focus on. Either that, or I lack the practical experience to put your perfectly clear statements into context. Guess what? Practical experience comes from practicing law.
I'm a Boyd Graduate, and if I could fit in time around my busy schedule of counting my money, I might take some time to be offended by some of this stuff. Have fun paying off those T14 student loans. $uckers!
ReplyDeleteI definitely prefer being a Boyd graduate to being a condescending, sanctimonious asshole. Who likes people that generalize and judge people by where they went to school, what type of car they drive, what brand of clothes they wear, etc, etc, etc.
ReplyDeleteGet over yourselves. You're superiority is a facade.
It's cute that all the Boyd grads are defending themselves so hard against these negative comments.
ReplyDeleteCan we PLEASE move on to something more interesting? For example, whatever happened to the "someone is going to be fired but he/she doesn't know it yet" comment from last Friday??
I'm not a Boyd grad, but I quite like what 1:41 said. This is all too common. I'm assuming most (likely not all) of the criticism again Boyd on here is coming from non-T14 grads. I'm assuming these people don't like it when T14 grads generalize about their school.
ReplyDeleteWho cares about Boyd. In fact, when is this blog going to be renamed "Legal Antics and Jurisprudence in LAS VEGAS, Nevada"?
ReplyDeleteGiven the fact that 99.9999999% of the content here is about Las Vegas mumbo jumbo, just call it what it is. Or start dishing dirt on stuff in Reno and in the rurals.
Stuff happens in Reno and the "rurals?"
ReplyDeleteWe have all formed our opinion about what kind of school Boyd is, and I don't think anyone is changing his/her mind on this issue.
ReplyDeleteHEY EVERYONE! WHERE WOULD YOU HIDE IF A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE BROKE OUT IN LAS VEGAS???
WHICH FIRM IS THE BEST STRONGHOLD AGAINST ZOMBIES?
@12:44
ReplyDeleteYou're F'N weird.
WOW...just as I was typing about how weird 12:44 is, 2:44 chimed in.
ReplyDelete@2:44p - I would probably hunker down somewhere up in Reno because I figure I'd kill myself before going to Reno. Maybe the Zombies would feel the same way.
ReplyDeleteFirst, maybe the Boyd pass rate for the Nevada bar is high because they are all taking the bar exam right after law school, and thus haven't had jobs or the passage of time to dull their bar exam skillz?
ReplyDeleteWhereas the out-of-staters are probably taking the Nevada bar years after having finished law school and passing another state's bar (because, seriously, how many people who didn't go to Boyd take the Nevada bar as their first?), and are therefore long since divested of the bullshit necessary to pass a bar exam.
Just a theory... Also, anyone know how Boyd grads fare in other states?
Second, @12:44, you're weird. I'm guessing you got into law school because they wanted a token crazy libertarian nut job, and now its clear that, as the product of ideological affirmative action, you don't have the chops to pass the Nevada bar.
Glad to hear there is mutuality regarding despise between the north and south. Lest it be known, most of those in Northern Nevada would rather die a thousand miserable deaths than move to Las Vegas. However, if there wasn't a Las Vegas, there would be no UNLV, and no humor in how NEVADA can completely kick FUNLV's ass.
ReplyDeleteThe Boyd night students I've had as employees were all responsible clerks and worked hard. If I was looking for a JD associate I wouldn't have a problem hiring one.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to Zombieland tonight. Let's talk about that.
ReplyDeleteI didn't to to Boyd, and was admitted in CA almost 20 years before NV. What school you went to only has a marginal impact on what kind of a lawyer you are because academic skills and real lawyer skills are different.
ReplyDeleteAll law schools produce great lawyers and lousy lawyers. It isn't the school, it's the lawyer. I know some excellent Boyd graduate lawyers, and some who suffer from congential stupidity. Same there as everywhere else.
Young lawyers who went to Top 15 law schools (and I went to one of those) and think their ---- doesn't stink are one of the many banes of our profession. If you doubt that go read some of the self-absorbed blather in the comments to ATL.
And, although they were years apart, I think the NV Bar was harder than CA - I was more stressed on CA because if I failed I might not have had a job on Xmas, but NV, while less stressful because I knew I could do it, was technically more difficult.
5:35 - Very well put. Great test taking skills will get you into a top school and help you sail through the bar...but it doesn't mean you'll be a good lawyer.
ReplyDelete@ 2:05 - the person got fired. The individual now knows. The office is too small to give any particulars.
ReplyDeleteThe difference between law school and law practice is that law school is on the theory of plumbing while practice is swimming every day in a septic tank of fetid crap.
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2:25 AM sums this discussion up quite nicely.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the whole thread. Agree completely with 10:43
ReplyDelete8:16: Totally agree but think the bigger problem is that there is nowehere for these crap grads to go so Vegas has to find somewhere to absorb them. And they graduate like 140 people a year...
ReplyDeleteAnyone who thinks Boyd grads are unable to perform well obviously hasn't gotten a blowjob from one in the champagne room.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what to make of this. It probably isn't news, but it's interesting nonetheless. Check out: http://www.nvbar.org/Admissions/
For the uninitiated, warez = pirated software. It's hard to tell how long that page has been there. NB: the official page for Admissions is: http://www.nvbar.org/Admissions/admissions.htm, not the URL above. Still, it seems a page at nvbar.org might have been compromised at some point in the past.
"Anyone who thinks Boyd grads are unable to perform well obviously hasn't gotten a blowjob from one in the champagne room."
ReplyDelete@October 20, 2009 2:37 PM
sick but oh so funny. I never thought of that use for my male clerks. You think they will like cunilingus?
@5:16 PM
ReplyDeleteYou are asking Boyd Grads for cunilingus? What makes you think a Boyd Grad has ever licked anything outside of their pedestrian curriculum at that school?
5:16 PM - Is that you, Judge Halverson?
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