Remember back in February when we asked you to submit your questions about the Nevada legal market for Jordan Ross (a.k.a. "The Shark Pimp") to answer? Well, we have finally received his responses, so all of you unemployed associates who were waiting for these answers may now continue your job searches. Here is Part 1 of our 3-month interview:
I’m glad to have another answer and question interview here at Wild Wild Law. I only regret that the circumstances couldn’t be better. I apologize for taking so long to get back to all the loyal readers here. I’ve been buried in work just trying to keep even with the market. The same is true of all professionals in this stressful market. With that in mind, let’s see what’s on everyone’s mind right now.
Question 1:Do to the recession, some previously transactional-only associates have been "transitioned" to litigation. What kind of (if any) opportunities exist for these associates to transition back to transactional work if/when the economy rebounds? If you practice litigation for a few years, are you pigeon-holed a litigator?
Moving practice type (as opposed to practice area) is difficult to do in the first place and frequently you find yourself losing your seniority in the process. That loss of seniority may involve your taking a so called “haircut” (which means a cut in salary to a more junior year). However it’s not as challenging as changing your practice area. So if you were to for example move from Real Estate Transactions to Real Estate Litigation or perhaps switch from Corporate Transactions to Commercial Litigation, while you need to understand this is no walk in the park, the transition is relatively intuitive.
On the other hand if you move from say, Franchise Law Transactions to Intellectual Property Litigation, the transition is going to be a lot more difficult. The whole process may in fact set you back or make it difficult to return to your old practice.
Having said all of this, it’s a very different situation when your existing firm encourages you to transition your practice. They will probably be much more receptive to your moving back when times get better. And if they are trying to get you to change, be opened minded – this may the signal that they can’t feed your current practice and a change in practice may be needed to keep your job.
Question 2:From your perspective, how bad are things in the Nevada legal market?
Bad.
Don’t be a smart ass. How Bad?
As I’ve said in the past, unlike the general economy in Southern Nevada which is directly driven by the gaming industry, the legal economy is driven largely by the real estate industry. Now, that’s not an absolute statement, but in general it’s very accurate.
With the slowdown in the very high rates of emigration to Nevada and the collapse of real estate prices, eventually the industry will run out its excess inventory both residential and commercial probably at about the same time the entire global economy recovers. But I don’t see full recovery until around January 2011.
Question 3:Do you think that government jobs are a better bet in this market because of the job security they (may) offer?
If they have no food in the refrigerator and kids to feed, I’m not going to tell someone to pass on a public sector job. But for the attorneys I deal with, commercial practitioners, try to avoid that. When things recover, it will not be an asset to have that on your resume. Moving to a private sector job could be a one way trip. Most such hiring is frozen right now anyway. One Chief Deputy District Attorney told me that Clark County has never seen so many attorney resumes.If you can keep yourself from tying that noose for another couple days, stay tuned for Part 2 of the interview.
The legal market here sucks.
ReplyDeleteIt's no better in San Diego, LA, the Bay Area, the Northwest, or Phoenix.
ReplyDeleteThe way to get and keep a job is to demonstrate the ability to attract and keep clients. If you're self-supporting and profitable, you'll advance. If you rely on others to provide you with work, you risk not being hired or losing your existing job. This isn't rocket science.
I'm amazed at how many law grads just expect clients to appear out of thin air.
Maybe the problems with hiring attorneys in LV is "due" to the fact that the phrase is not "do" to.
ReplyDeleteSpelling matters. Besides, what does the Pimp know that we don't right now? That the market sucks, that the YLA survey says we are all overpaid, and that most firms wouldn't know a good candidate if it was on its knees in front of them.
Why does Mr. Pimp refer to taking a public sector job as tying a noose around your neck?
ReplyDeleteI (2L) currently have a paying public sector job, does this mean I'm on the way to figuratively [or already have] hanging myself?
The 11:16 AM comment is right on the money. It's amazing how so many lawyers just expect other lawyers to hand them work. People need to learn how to market themselves and make themselves valuable.
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ReplyDeleteWell, that depends on what you want to do with your career. If you want to work in the public sector, then you are going about it the right way. If, on the other hand, you are one of the shark pimp's targeted audience, and you are at least a 3rd year associate looking to laterally transfer to another commercial firm, then he's right. Going into public service might be a one-way street.
Firms are looking for attorneys who can either bring business with them, or attract new business based on the attorney's reputation and skills in a particular field.
Depending on what you are doing, working in the public sector will get you certain skills. It will not, however, prepare you for the billable hour. You don't build a book of clients in the public sector. If you become a well-known public servant, good for you. The commercial sector can use you. But for every Rory Reid, there's hundreds of public servants that no private firm wants, because the public service attorneys just don't have what the firm wants.
Shark Pimp sez, "With the slowdown in the very high rates of emigration to Nevada ..."
ReplyDeleteYou immigrate to a place; you emigrate from a place.
Words mean things, people.
I laugh every time I read advice from the Shark Pimp, he has no idea what he is talking about. If you are a third year associate in a decent civil practice, you can pimp yourself, you don't need some glorified real estate agent to do it for you.
ReplyDeleteI hope this guy gets fired before he exploits any more young lawyers.
I always appreciate any insight or perspective that Ross gives. His articles are one of the main reasons I checked out this site. His explanation of the three categories of firms in his previous interview helped me plot my advancement in the legal market.
ReplyDeleteI think the shark's advice is generally good - but I think the Las Vegas market is somewhat unique compared to the other markets he works. Many of the top firms here are still local firms, and even the top regional firms here, for the most part, recently bought out local firms.
ReplyDeleteYou've gotta remember, Vegas is juiced like no other city. You can pretty much implement a sliding scale here with your connections on one side and your qualifications on the other side. If you have great grades from a great school you can get a good job, on the other hand if you know the right people you can get a great job without a solid resume.
THE SHARK PIMP SEZ:
ReplyDeleteOK, let's start addressing some of the comments here. I'm glad Anon 11:16 AM noted that clients don't come out of thin air. Folks should keep that in mind. Anon 8:37 PM should heed the well written words words of Anon 12:26 AM that most public sector experience just doesn't translate in the commercial world.If you want to work in the public sector that's fine, just understand it's a different game altogether. Anon 2:45 PM is right, my grammatical usage of the word emigrate was ass backwards. You get a gold star for your mom's fridge. Anon 3:32 PM is a big fan apparently. He's right in that most run of the mill associates can market themselves for the run of the mill jobs; as I pointed out I place very few Associates. However the sterling jobs sometimes (not always) can be more readily accessed with a recruiter. As to being fired pal, I'm not a clockpuncher for anyone and just what young Associates am I exploiting? Especially since I place one only every few years. I don't think you'll find any of my Associate placements in an underpaid sweatshop. Anon 8:23 PM, thanks for the compliment; classism in the law is brutal but real and young attorneys need to know the truth. Anon 7:55 AM is dead right about Las Vegas being a unique market; that's one of the reasons that I focus exclusively on Nevada. I only place attorneys in Las Vegas and the Reno-Carson City area, nowhere else. He's also right in that juice is the life blood of Las Vegas. And he's absolutely right that many of the top firms here are local firms, including some of my very best clients. BigLaw doesn't always mean BigDog in this town.
Thanks for the sharing..........
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